Here we discuss how pokemon is doing. Are the main Pokemon RPGs getting worse as the spin-offs are getting better? Do you think the opposite? Do you think pokemon will make a fifth generation? Do you think pokemon in general is phailing? Talk about here.

As a franchise (or rather an empire), it has been doing wonderfully for the companies carrying it and anyone helping further the cause. In terms of value, the latest generation ruined Pokémon in my opinion.

I agree with that. I liked the Hoenn and the other regions much better than the one they recent one.

I actually loved Pearl/Diamond/Platinum. Although, Battle Revolution sucked, a new shadow pokemon game would be great.

EDIT: The problem is that it's just to easy, when someone can go through the whole game using just one pokemon you know you need to make it harder.

Yeah.....I..want NEW POKEMON NOW! NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!! Ok, I'm done!

A DSi successor has been confirmed, so a new generation is possible.

LET'S WRITE A 1000 WORD LETTER, COMPLAINING ABOUT WHY THE NEXT GENERATION ISN'T ANNOUNCED! ALL IN FAVOR SAY NO!

No, I think. I will start.

Nintendo. I would like to inform you that it has come apparent to us that a DS successor is in the making. It is also apperent that I don't know how to spell success or Apparent. Now then, it has become quite obvious that with every hand held system a new generation of pokemon is made. We all know there will be such a new generation, so just confirm it so we can get on with our lives.

We are all waiting for at least some of the new starters as always.

Finally. A slightly worthy topic.

Well, Nintendo sure was fucking smart when they thought this shit up. It has brought them endless amounts of money. The cash just keeps flowing and flowing. And think, it could really never end. There will always be 10-year-old boys who are new to Pokemon and those die hard fans that have been playing since they were 10.
All in all, really, it wasn't a bad idea. Quite original. A boy setting off on a journey to battle with others and friends he meets along the way, encountering and capturing various weird/cute/awesome animals? Fucking sweet. It really appeals to a lot of types of people, which is why the fan base is so huge.
And tbh, I don't give a damn if all the RPGs are the same. They've all been good to me. They've all brought me many happy times and memories.
It's all really a trap though, they release new games when a new handheld console comes out, which forced me to buy a Gameboy color, some old Gameboy Advance SP I have lying around somewhere, and a Nintendo DS. And if I have to get a DSi, I fucking will. Just for the sake of Pokemon.
I just hope they don't keep on re-doing it until the point when it's ridiculous, like Star Wars or some other bullshit.

Agreed, I hope they don't keep making new pokemon until there's to many to count. It is a real shame that they are easily able to get people to spend so much money. Kids will get both versions, and then they will get the third one that follows. But the experience is worth it, for the most part. I get all three versions because I have to much money laying around. *looks around room* They also make a lot of money off of action figures, cards, and plushies.

I got Plusle and Minun at the 99cent store. :P
That's only because I'm poor. Spare some change? How about a buck? 10 bucks? 35? I think that's enough to buy Platinum...

I'll give you.....$20 if you stay away from my coca cola bank!

PLATINUM RAWKS! The battle frontier is awesome, even if it is easier than the Emerald one. Nintendo will make LORTS of money off of HeartGold and SoulSilver, I think that was their most popular generation.

Ok, here is the problem with Pokemon right now.

Pokemon used to be a great new idea that was incredibly fun. The first generations were very simple, but had many different colorful pokemon that each had their own personality. Each pokemon was unique and every area had something new and exciting for you. The game was also hard in certain areas, such as Saffron City Gym or the tail end of the Elite 4.

Pokemon Stadium for the N64 was a combination of a great battle arena plus a story mode to go through a lot of gym leaders. In addition, you could also play your gameboy games on the TV at hyper speeds. The game was fun, yet also challenging. To fully beat the game you had to train your own pokemon to level 100 to get the most out of it, AND you could use MEW as a rental pokemon after completing certain challenges.

Generation II was a good addition that added many new unique pokemon. However, this is when they started to make evolutions from previous pokemon, as well as pre-evolutions. Some of these became extremely popular (Pichu, Elekid, Crobat, Scizor), and it opened the door for them to continue to do this in the future. The game was also slightly easier. There was no overpowering gym leaders, and the Elite 4 was lower in level than in generation. Despite this, there was almost a whole new game to discover after the Elite 4 as you could now explore Kanto and fight all the gym leaders there. Pokemon Stadium 2 was also a great successor to the original, as it used the same formula but actually expanded more on the gym leader castle progression.

Generation III is where things started to drastically change. You could no longer connect to previous games which upset a lot of people. The mechanics drastically changed, as Natures and Abilities were added to pokemon. There was a lot of new pokemon introduced - 130+, while many original favorite pokemon were completely unattainable. In addition, many of the new pokemon were fairly unoriginal ideas, while some seemed like complete ripoffs of previous pokemon (we now had a Spheal and a Seel). Although the addition of FireRed/LeafGreen/Emerald made older pokemon attainable, by this point many fans were already turned off and the fan base began to diminish as it climbed. The game was also far too easy. You could potentially go through the entire game with only your starting pokemon, and there was no second part to the game like in GSC. They also added a grand total of 10 Legendary Pokemon, 2 of which were completely unattainable. This made Legendaries lose some of their appeal, and also made it seem impossible to completely fill your National Pokedex with 386 entries.

Pokemon Collosseum was not a very good installment and offered a short, easy story in addition to Collosseum battles. The actual battles in the Collosseum could get challenging, with some of the final trainers using pokemon like Kyogre and Latias. Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness didn't get the best of reviews, although I personally thought it was a great game. The problem is that they thought bringing a story based pokemon game to the consoles meant completely changing the formula. A console-based free-world Pokemon game would be a great hit, but they have yet to do that.

Generation 4 simply did not do it. Although the metagame completely changed with the new physical/special attack system, there simply wasn't enough differences between it and the previous games. There were 107 new pokemon additions, but out of these, 14 were Legendary, 5 of which were completely unattainable in Diamond or Pearl without special events. 9 were starter based (obviously), 7 were pre-evolutions of previous pokemon that were completely unnecessary (Munchlax and MAYBE Bonsly were the only marketable one of the 7), and TWENTY TWO (22) were evolutions of previous pokemon. This meant that there were only 55 new pokemon that you could reasonably obtain throughout the game. out of those 55, you have useless ones such as Burmy, Kricketot, and of course your customary AWESOME Bidoof.

Pokemon Battle Revolution was a complete bust with hardly any personality, and Platinum only somewhat made the games more interesting. Hopefully HG/SS will bring back some nostalgia and make things more interesting again.

Right now, the pokemon fanbase is made up of four major categories: Competitive Battlers (usually on Shoddy), young DS gamers (usually age 10-13), and RPers (people on RP sites), and classic RPG fans (who play many different RPGs such as Final Fantasy, SMT, etc.). Of course there are others who don't fit in to any of those categories, but those are where the most are located. I personally love pokemon and hope it gets back on track. They're still making money from the games, so they can and will come out with more. I own Platinum and will probably get either HG or SS, but as of right now I am more intrigued by online RPs than I am with the actual games themselves. A console game like Gale of Darkness that is larger and more inclusive would most likely draw my attention more.

Everyone just made a 1000+ word letter with me doing the most of it!

No, sir. I'm afraid you're mistaken. They had it all planned out beforehand, so that new pre-evos and evolutions could come out each generation.

Dude, it was on a whole different platform. They couldn't have programmed generation I and II games to work with the Generation III games, because one was on a Gameboy color, while the other was on a more advanced system. If you really wanted Kanto Pokemon, wouldn't you just get LeafGreen or FR...?

This is why you get LG or FR.

Fairly unoriginal? I don't think so. I thought the new Pokemon were quite fucking new. Let's see you come up with something better than the masterminds at Nintendo/Pokemon. And Spheal and Seel are completely different, for one, Spheal is cuter. ;3

"Aw, ew, Pokemon's different now, my boner's dying! DDDDD:"

Bawww. Too easy? LeafGreen was pretty fucking challenging, if I do say so myself. And the elite four? Way tougher than in GSC.

Who cares? We had fun. And the legendaries introduced in Generation III were pretty badass. And filling your Pokedex with all the 386 entries WAS possible, I believe.

This was what got most of the fan base going. I didn't think it was that great, but whatever. Obviously you don't either.

I liked Sinnoh Pokemon. Not as much as RSE Pokemon, but I still liked them. Because Ratticate and Caterpie were really useful in them first games, right?

This...is probably not going to happen. I have high hopes for HG and SS, though. I hope they'll be good!

Another way nintendo hooks in kids is that it gives them a sense of indivisuality. One boy likes Nidoking, another boy likes Rhydon, liking one of the 493 pokemon gives kids some weird way of expressing themselves. Ex. A boy likes Gardevoir, he's gay (jk). A boy likes Marowak, he has good taste. Plus kids like to feel as though they like an unpoplular pokemon and are therefor sprecial.

I believe you misquoted many of my statements. And I did mention FR/LG. Also I thought this topic was what you thought about pokemon, not what you thought about other peoples thoughts about pokemon.

Why yes, yes I did.

You've obviously never heard of healthy discussion.

Actually, you could go through the game with one pokemon. But when you get to E4 you must bring LORTS of Revives. I'v gone through Leafgreen with just Charizard. I never spent a dime, until I got to the end.

Everyone! You might of already found this but
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok..._the_real_world
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Fut...of_Pok%C3%A9mon

This is kind of....wait? This isn't about the 5th generation, is it?

I guess I could discuss things with you then.

"No, sir. I'm afraid you're mistaken. They had it all planned out beforehand, so that new pre-evos and evolutions could come out each generation."

Don't think Chingling was planned out when Surfing Pikachu was released on Pokemon Yellow.

"Dude, it was on a whole different platform. They couldn't have programmed generation I and II games to work with the Generation III games, because one was on a Gameboy color, while the other was on a more advanced system. If you really wanted Kanto Pokemon, wouldn't you just get LeafGreen or FR...?"

Actually, I'm afraid you're gravely mistaken. The fact that RSE was on GBA had nothing to do with the reasoning for not allowing transfer. You could connect a GBA to a GBC with certain multi-link cables they sold, I actually had one. You could also play GBC games on the GBA. Also, you can transfer GBA pokemon to your DS, which is also a more advanced system. The actual reason that Nintendo for why they did not allow transfer was because there were too many changes with the game itself, which included abilities and natures.

"This is why you get LG or FR."

Nobody knew LG/FR was going to be released when RSE came out. LG/FR was the first nostalgia pokemon game that they came out with, and it was released in 2004, while Ruby/Sapphire came out in 2002. Also, many Generation II pokemon couldn't be obtained until Emerald came out 10 months after FR/LG.

"Fairly unoriginal? I don't think so. I thought the new Pokemon were quite fucking new. Let's see you come up with something better than the masterminds at Nintendo/Pokemon. And Spheal and Seel are completely different, for one, Spheal is cuter. ;3"

That's great, but I do think so. It's also not that hard to come up with Pokemon, people create Fakemon all the time. I guess we'll simply have to agree to disagree, unless everyone is entitled to your opinion.

""Aw, ew, Pokemon's different now, my boner's dying! DDDDD:""

Cool story bro.

"Bawww. Too easy? LeafGreen was pretty fucking challenging, if I do say so myself. And the elite four? Way tougher than in GSC."

Yeah, because Leafgreen was Generation I all over again. I never said that wasn't challenging, I said Ruby and Sapphire were not very challenging. When I refer to generations, I only include the games based in the new region, not spinoffs or remakes. Hopefully this clears things up for you.

"Who cares? We had fun. And the legendaries introduced in Generation III were pretty badass. And filling your Pokedex with all the 386 entries WAS possible, I believe.
"

The Legendaries were cool, but so are almost all Legendaries. Also, anything is possible with GameShark or Action Replay, but you could not legitimately complete your 386 pokedex without going to special Nintendo events, which rarely occured. The event to get Celebi uploaded on your game had some people wait in lines for more than 5 hours before they could finally get it.

"This was what got most of the fan base going. I didn't think it was that great, but whatever. Obviously you don't either."

Every generation gets the fanbase going because it's new. Generation 4 may have saved pokemon, but I still think they could have done a much better job with it.

"I liked Sinnoh Pokemon. Not as much as RSE Pokemon, but I still liked them. Because Ratticate and Caterpie were really useful in them first games, right?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrOubH5lubE

"This...is probably not going to happen. I have high hopes for HG and SS, though. I hope they'll be good!"

As do I!

They are going to make a 5th generation, I just wouldn't expect it for another 2 years or more. Pokemon is still very profitable, so there's no reason to stop now. Hopefully I'll like it more than D/P though.

Well, yeah, pretty much. I didn't know the thing about the multi-link cables. Thanks for schoolin' me.

Well, then wait for 2 years to get all your Pokedex filled! =P Just kidding. -.- But you gotta admit that LG and FR were pretty badass.

Fakemon are normally edited sprites of Pokemon that were originally Nintendo's ideas. I'm not saying that theirs aren't any good, but you know, it's fucking Nintendo and they're some 14-year-old making a Pokemon sprite. And they had to have expanded the number of Pokemon anyway.

Well you did say people were being turned off...

Meh. They changed to fit the people attracted to the games.

But it was possible, which is what I said. ;3

Of course they could have. I'm just happy with what they gave me, and most childs are too. After all, it isn't total shit, and the thing with the Wi-Fi and making poffins with your little brother on a Saturday night is really pretty nice.

I'M NOT FALLING FOR YOUR RICKROLL!

Yay! One thing we agree on!